Showing posts with label Rebecca Watson. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Rebecca Watson. Show all posts

Sunday, November 20, 2011

Gelato Mio outstandingly apologizes for their mistake

If you cannot read the sign, it says
Skepticon is NOT Welcomed to my Christian Business
Skepticon is a conference in Springfield, Missouri for the Skeptic's movement.  Skepticism is the philosophy of applying the scientific method and the detection of logical fallacies to your life.  However the movement is increasingly becoming dominated by atheists.  Just looking at this year's speaking guests I see a number of popular atheists: Dan Baker, Greta Christina, Jen McCreight, Hemant Mehta, PZ Myers, David Silverman, and Rebecca Watson.[1] Over a thousand are said to have attended this year and the facility housing the conference refused to put "Skepticon" on the marquee.[2]  I will let the owner of Gelato Mio explain the sign.


RE Letter in the Window:

To the Public: I sincerely apologize for the posting of the note in the window. It was an impulse reaction to an event that I witnessed and it was only up for a few minutes before I came to my senses and realized it shouldn't have been up at all.

So you know, nobody was turned away and everyone was given the same high level of service they have come to expect. Out of the hundreds of event attendees that I served on Friday and Saturday, all of them were extremely polite and enjoyed their time in my restaurant. The event that greatly offended me was conducted by one man and I shouldn't have reacted the way I did.

Even small business owners make mistakes, and I sincerely apologize to those whom I offended.

All the Best,

Andy-
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Kudos to him.  The real reason that I am posting this is that I love when people admit their mistakes and repent.  He made a mistake for a few minutes and he took the sign down.  There are few things more Christian than confession and repentance.  

PS - One of the speakers, PZ Myers says that the local businesses gave them a 10% conference discount.[5]

Update 10:22pm

PSS- I have seen a number of people noting that what he did may have been very illegal.  The Civil Rights Act of 1964 Title II Sec 201 says in part
All persons shall be entitled to the full and equal enjoyment of the goods, services, facilities, privileges, advantages, and accommodations of any place of public accommodation, as defined in this section, without discrimination or segregation on the ground of race, color, religion, or national origin.[6]
Though he did not single out atheists/non-theists he did for a few minutes forbid Skepticon attendees from eating his gelato.  These attendees were seemingly forbidden for being non-Christian from eating at his Christian business.  This is very illegal and a crime.  However no one was actually forbidden.  He made the sign in a moment of haste and took it down in a repentance of reason.  We all would not want to be judged by our worst moments.


Tuesday, October 11, 2011

If you want to know what atheism is then ask an atheist

I AM NOT AN ATHEIST 

I saw this the other day and I immediately thought that strawmen are not your friend.  A strawman is a logical fallacy when you criticize someone for an argument they do not actually hold.  Quickly let us look at this.
The belief 
OK, we have to stop already.  While I consider atheism a "belief"  and a religion. Many atheists consider atheism not a belief, but a lack of a belief.  The saying typically goes something like: if atheism is a belief/religion then not stamp collecting is a hobby.  Some might say, "I do not believe in a God."  For many atheists the idea that atheism is a "belief" is not something they argue.

Perhaps here we should also define atheism.  Dictionary.com defines atheism in both ways.
  1. the doctrine or belief that there is no God.
  2. disbelief in the existence of a supreme being or beings.
Atheism simply has to do with theology or lack of theology.  There is not embedded in the definition an origin of the universe or an acceptance of a scientific view point.  
that there was nothing and nothing happened to nothing 
What is nothing?  First, I may need to do more research, but most of the atheists that I can remember are materialists.  Nature is eternal.  Those that do not believe that nature is eternal are agnostic on the subject.  They do not believe in an ex nihilo creation.  Maybe some do, but I do not think that any atheists that you can name believe in such.  

Also "nothing" in physics can produce something.  Empty space has stuff in it.  Some atheists mean this when they say "nothing".  Also the Big Bang is something, a singularity extending through all space at a single instant.  You can say where did the singularity and space come from?  You might get some answer about a multiverse, but most would not say from "nothing". (meaning no spatial or temporal dimensions, no particles, no energy, no force)
and then nothing magically exploded
Magic?  The point seems to be that there can be no natural explanation for the Big Bang, so an atheist must invoke some unnatural or supernatural explanation.  I don't think that this is so much of a strawman, but more of sarcasm.  Obviously with no supernatural source for fairies, goblins, ghosts, witchcraft, miracles, cursings, blessings there is little place for magic in an atheism.  

Exploded?  I presume that this is in reference to the Big Bang.  Big Bang is a little bit of a misnomer. In the Theory of the Big Bang the singularity did not explode in a conventional sense, but it was rather an event filling all of space with all of the particles of the embryonic universe rushing away from each other. The Universe expanded increasing the distance between particles.  
for no reason,
Apparently natural law is no reason?  It would be true to say that most atheists do not believe in supernatural  reasons, but as long as time has existed there has been a macro cause and effect.  
creating everything 
Yeah according to Big Bang, quarks arranged into atoms clumped together to form stars which their own mass caused the single proton Hydrogen to fuse into Helium.  Still all of this occurs under natural law.
and then a bunch of everything magically rearranged itself for no reason whatsoever into self-replicating bits which then turned into dinosaurs.
There is that M word again.  My problem with strawmen is thus:  It is OK to joke as long as everybody gets the joke.  Not everyone believes this to be a joke.  More and more we seem to be inventing arguments for our opponents to fictionally hold.

  1. We have enough to discuss without inventing arguments that our opponents do not even hold.
  2. We lose trust when our students find out that their opponents do not actually hold said argument.
  3. We lose trust of our opponents when we ascribe things to them that they do not hold.
PS - I am a little troubled by the use of the word "magic".  One, there are some notable atheists that are magicians (Penn & Teller, James Randi, Rebecca Watson) however most atheists do not believe in supernatural forces.  Two, most atheists argue that natural forces are sufficient to explain the universe, however most of the people that I have seen using this image believe that natural forces are insufficient.  In fact the tone of the text seem to ridicule atheists who believe that natural forces are sufficient.  This seems ironic to mock atheists for needing the magical/supernatural forces that you hold are necessary.  Three, this seems to set up a false dichotomy.  Most Christians also believe in the Big Bang, Abiogenesis, and Evolution.  They may also believe like Behe that nature was guided or needed a little miracle here and there.  This is the doctrine of the Catholic Church and other Christian denominations.  Atheists like most Christians believe in the Big Bang, just some believe that God helped it along.