Showing posts with label baby. Show all posts
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Sunday, February 12, 2012

2006: Limbo, no more about going low


VATICAN CITY (CNS) – To hope that babies who die without being baptized will go to heaven makes more sense than the idea that they go to limbo, says a group of papally appointed theologians.

While no one can be certain of the fate of unbaptized babies who die, Christians can and should trust that God will welcome those babies into heaven, said members of the International Theological Commission.

The commission, a Vatican advisory board, met Oct. 2-6 to continue work on a statement explaining why the concept of limbo entered the common teaching of the church, why it was never officially defined as Catholic doctrine, and why hope for their salvation makes more sense, said Father Paul McPartlan, a member of the commission and a professor at The Catholic University of America in Washington.

"We cannot say we know with certainty what will happen" to unbaptized babies, Father McPartlan said, "but we have good grounds to hope that God in his mercy and love looks after these children and brings them to salvation."

Speaking the last day of the commission's meeting, Father McPartlan said the 30 commission members were in agreement on the main thesis of the document, but they had not put the finishing touches on it. If they vote on the final version by mail, the document could be released in 2007.

He said that while affirming people's hope, the document takes pains to explain the Christian belief that baptism is necessary to guarantee salvation and urges parents to baptize their infants.

The document "in no way means to lessen the urgency with which the church invites parents to have their children baptized," Father McPartlan said Oct. 6. "What we are trying to do is to say, 'What does the church say when confronted with the situation of an infant who has died without being baptized?' That and that alone is what prompted our document.

"The answer is not a simplistic, 'Oh, don't worry; everything is fine,'" but rather that God's endless mercy, his love poured out in Jesus Christ and his desire to save all people gives a solid basis for hoping those children will be saved despite not having been baptized.

The commission began formal studies of the question in 2004 when Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, now Pope Benedict XVI, was president of the advisory body and prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith.

Pope Benedict celebrated Mass Oct. 6 with the commission members; in his homily, he spoke about the role of theologians as listening to the word of God in order to help other's hear the good news. But he did not mention the so-called limbo document at all.

Father McPartlan said the commission began considering the question because priests and bishops around the world had asked then-Cardinal Ratzinger for "an updated Catholic statement in response to the distressing human situation" of parents mourning the loss of a baby before baptism.

The commission also hoped to be able to respond to questions raised by those mourning the lives of babies lost through abortion. Because the Catholic Church teaches that human life begins at conception, the question applies to those babies as well, Father McPartlan said.

He also said the theologians felt called to articulate a Catholic expression of hope in a world where hope is often lacking and lives are often laid to waste by war and violence.

Realizing some people could misinterpret the statement as saying that baptism is unnecessary for infants because they are incapable of sinning, the document reaffirms church teaching about the reality of original sin.

The church believes that with the exception of the Blessed Virgin Mary and Jesus, every human being is born marked with the stain of original sin, which distances them from God.

As the Catechism of the Catholic Church explained: "Born with a fallen human nature and tainted by original sin, children also have need of the new birth in baptism to be freed from the power of darkness and brought into the realm of the freedom of the children of God, to which all men are called."

But the catechism, published in 1992, did not mention limbo.

In fact, regarding the fate of children who die without the grace of baptism, it said, the church entrusts them to the mercy of God.

Presenting the commission's work to Pope Benedict last year, Cardinal William J. Levada, prefect of the doctrinal congregation and president of the commission, said the statement was important because "the number of babies not baptized has increased considerably," and the church knows that salvation "is only reachable in Christ through the Holy Spirit."

He also told the pope last year that he hoped the statement would be published soon.

Father McPartlan said there were "no hiccups" in the drafting process, but the commission's work takes time.

In the 1985 book-length interview, The Ratzinger Report, and in the 2000 book, God and the World, the future Pope Benedict said focusing on hope made more sense theologically then upholding the idea of limbo, where unbaptized babies would enjoy "natural happiness" for eternity, but would not be in heaven in the presence of God.

Limbo, he pointed out, was never a defined article of Catholic faith, but rather was a hypothesis formed on the basis of the church's belief in the need for baptism.
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Sunday, December 11, 2011

NPR: Babies' Cells Linger, May Protect Mothers



February 8, 2006 - RENEE MONTAGNE, host:

What would you say if we told you that when a woman has a baby, she gets not just a son or daughter, she gets an army of protective cells--gifts from her children that will stay inside her and defend her for the rest of her life? It's such an enticingly beautiful idea, the scientists who proposed it worry that maybe it's too beautiful. NPR's Robert Krulwich has the story.

ROBERT KRULWICH reporting:

For years it was thought as soon as a baby is conceived, once it starts to grow inside a mom, it gets its own very private space.

Dr. KIRBY JOHNSON, PH.D. (Research Assistant Professor, Pediatrics, Tufts University School of Medicine): There is, there's a placenta.

KRULWICH: Yeah.

Dr. JOHNSON: Placenta was thought to be a fairly impenetrable barrier.

KRULWICH: So says Dr. Kirby Johnson, of Tufts University. The baby and its cells stay on the baby side. The mommy cells stay on the mommy side and nature keeps them separate until ...

(Soundbite of baby crying)

KRULWICH: It's, yeah, time to go. And here's the surprise. When scientists at Tufts took blood from ordinary pregnant moms ...

Dr. JOHNSON: We would find, for example, in a teaspoon of blood, dozens, perhaps even hundreds of cells.

KRULWICH: From the baby.

Dr. JOHNSON: From the baby.

KRULWICH: So, baby cells were slipping out of the placenta into the moms. But, because babies do have different genes ...

Dr. JOHNSON: One would expect them to be attacked fairly rapidly. You would expect them to be cleared within hours if not days. What we found is that that is not the case, not anywhere near the case.

KRULWICH: It turns out that babies' cells stay in their moms, not for days or weeks, but for decades.

Dr. JOHNSON: Four to five decades following the last pregnancy.

KRULWICH: So, 40 years after conception, that son or daughter who could now be a middle-aged pharmacist or somethin', yet their fetal cells, their baby cells, are still floating around inside the mother?

Dr. JOHNSON: Yes.

KRULWICH: Even his 60-year-old mother? 70?

Dr. JOHNSON: 70, 80, perhaps 90-year-old women.

KRULWICH: You're sure of this?

Dr. JOHNSON: Absolutely.

Dr. CAROL ARTLETT, PH.D. (Postdoctoral Fellow, Department of Medicine, Division of Rheumatology, Thomas Jefferson University): Yeah, these cells last essentially forever.

KRULWICH: In the mom!

Dr. ARTLETT: In the mom.

KRULWICH: And, says Carol Artlett, who studies fetal cells at Thomas Jefferson University in Philadelphia, even if a woman has a miscarriage or an abortion, even if there is no baby, the cells of an unborn child will stay in the mother for decades. But, why? What exactly are they doin' in there for years and years and years?

Dr. ARTLETT: (Laughs) That's a good question.

KRULWICH: (Laughs) Well, one early hypothesis--and it's not the nicest idea, says Kirby Johnson--is that certain autoimmune diseases...

Dr. JOHNSON: Such as lupus, rheumatoid arthritis, scleroderma are much more common in women than men and that's one component of the hypothesis is that this prevalence in women is due to fetal cells.

KRULWICH: So, later in life, when the mother's joints inflame, maybe it's her fetal cells--her own baby's--taking a poke at her. In fact, Kirby's mom did have an autoimmune disease. It was a bad one and for awhile Kirby thought, well, his cells were responsible.

Dr. JOHNSON: So, I apologized immediately and said, well, there's nothing much I can do about it.

KRULWICH: (Laughing) Yeah, yeah, but it's like, stop it, Kirby.

Dr. JOHNSON: But, you know what? I was always doing that to my mother. Always causing problems and it was just another in a long line of those kinds of things.

KRULWICH: But happily the folks at Tufts proposed an alternative, a second theory, to explain what fetal cells are doing in the moms.

Dr. JOHNSON: Well, theory number two is the polar opposite of theory number one.

KRULWICH: The good fetal cell hypothesis proposes that the son or daughter cells stay in mom, not to hurt her, but to protect, defend and repair her for the rest of her life whenever she gets seriously ill and that's a more attractive idea.

Dr. JOHNSON: It's such a personal thing and it does touch the heartstrings of even the most hardnosed research scientist.

KRULWICH: But they all have mothers.

Dr. JOHNSON: But they all have mothers.

KRULWICH: And happily they now have evidence--more and more evidence says Kirby Johnson--that looks like the good hypothesis may be correct. For example, here's a case.

Dr. JOHNSON: Well, this was a woman who came into a neighboring hospital in Boston with symptoms of hepatitis. She was an intravenous drug user ...

KRULWICH: And she had had five conceptions. She'd had one child, two miscarriages, two abortions, that's five in all; she could be carrying, therefore, a lot of fetal cells and they examined her ...

Dr. JOHNSON: And in the process, she had a liver biopsy ...

KRULWICH: And the doc said well, why don't we send her liver to the lab to see if there are any fetal cells gathering where she's got trouble, and when they looked ...

Dr. JOHNSON: We found hundreds...

KRULWICH: Wow!

Dr. JOHNSON: ...and hundreds of fetal cells.

KRULWICH: Normally they'd expect five or ten cells.

Dr. JOHNSON: But this was a very large--we saw, literally, sheets of cells, whole areas that seemed to be normal ...

KRULWICH: Meaning that those fetal cells had gathered at the liver and like stem cells, they just turned themselves, in this case, into healthy liver cells.

Dr. JOHNSON: And most interestingly, this woman did not desire to have any further treatment done. In fact, she wanted to get back to her normal life and be left alone.

KRULWICH: And so she left the hospital with hepatitis but when they checked months later, they learned ...

Dr. JOHNSON: That she is completely healthy, no signs of further liver damage ...

KRULWICH: So, no medical intervention, but just a huge number of her babies' fetal cells? Could that lead you to think the poetic thought, that she was saved by her kids?

Dr. JOHNSON: (Hesitates) We want to think that.

KRULWICH: (Laughs) I know you do.

Dr. JOHNSON: There, it's the most likely obser-, explanation.

KRULWICH: But, in science there is such a thing as a too dangerously beautiful idea.

Dr. JOHNSON: That's right, right! And we say the same thing to ourselves because it shows such a basic wonderful thing, but it has to be right and we can't be led astray by our own desire for it to be true.

KRULWICH: So they are systematically testing the good hypothesis and the bad hypothesis, all these ideas, on laboratory mice--and when they see mother mice with all kinds of diseases--infectious disease, cancer...

Dr. JOHNSON: Ovarian cancer, endometrial cancer, cervical cancers, we find fetal cells there. We know that fetal cells...

KRULWICH: Over and over and over and over?

Dr. JOHNSON: Over and over and over and over.

KRULWICH: Suggesting that fetal cells regularly rush to the places where they're needed in the mom, and, says Carol Artlett...

Dr. ARTLETT: There's a lot of evidence now starting to come out that these cells may actually be repairing tissue.

KRULWICH: That is, protecting the mom. While the other hypothesis, the fetal cells hurt the moms, there, the more they look, the less they find.

Dr. JOHNSON: I can't recall a single study that's been truly reproduced to verify the bad fetal cell hypothesis.

KRULWICH: So, while no one knows in the end which way it'll go...

Dr. JOHNSON: I think that that's something that we're going to see within the next five years or less.

KRULWICH: So far, a sense is building that fetal cells probably stay in mothers for decades to defend and to protect them, which increasingly, is a quiet consolation to Kirby Johnson, because it's now more likely that his cells and his brother's cells were helping their mom, not hurting, and even though his mother did die, Kirby's beginning to feel differently.

Dr. JOHNSON: Well, maybe if it wasn't for my brother and I, she may have passed a few years earlier. Maybe we bought her a couple of extra years of time so she could have a few more birthdays and a few more mother's days and then, if I can just say that, that there is some way where I can even have the remotest thought that I contributed to the extension of my mother's life, even if it was a few days, that would make all of the years that I've spent doing this research worthwhile.

KRULWICH: Robert Krulwich, NPR News, New York.
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This reminds me of two things.  One, these cells are being used in new types of blood tests that will possibly replace the amniocentesis. If these tests work, mothers will know the gender and whether their child has Down Syndrome within the first eight weeks.  There is some fear that this will create more selective abortions.  Only 10% of Down Syndrome children are not aborted.  Imagine if all mothers knew in the first trimester that their child had Down Syndrome.  

Two, these cells are from another human being, yet they are parasitically growing inside a body that is not their own.  So far the good hypothesis has found that they attach to damaged organs and grow new parts for these organs. (Imagine parts of your son may grow you a cervix?)  The a fore mentioned woman's liver is no longer composed of only cells from her own body.  Still couldn't these cells also grow liver cancer as easily as they can grow a liver?  Below is a TED talk about Tasmanian Devils that catch cancer from other Devils.



However as stated above, there is not much evidence for the bad hypothesis yet.