Showing posts with label mormon. Show all posts
Showing posts with label mormon. Show all posts

Tuesday, June 19, 2012

Non-Mormons go to heaven

The LDS church teaches that non-Mormons go to heaven. For starters you have Joseph Smith's vision where he saw Alvin in the Celestial Kingdom. The Lord told Joseph Smith,

7 Thus came the avoice of the Lord unto me, saying: All who have died without a knowledge of this gospel, who would have received it if they had been permitted to tarry, shall be heirs of the celestial kingdom of God;

8 Also all that shall die henceforth without a knowledge of it, who would have received it with all their hearts, shall be heirs of that kingdom;

9 For I, the Lord, will judge all men according to their works, according to the desire of their hearts.

10 And I also beheld that all children who die before they arrive at the years of accountability are saved in the celestial kingdom of heaven.
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Which heaven you wind up in is dependent on the depth of your salvation.[2]

Here is even a group of LDS Mormons discussing this.
http://www.askamormon.com/do-non-mormons-go-to-heaven.html

Non-mormons going to heaven has been a part of Mormonism for over a century.

I’ve always taken it as a given that Mormonism’s view of the afterlife shuffle has always been more universalizing than most of the other alternatives. Our formulation of heaven intuitively accommodates for the varying levels of understanding people can achieve in this life and in the spirit world: instead of a binary — heaven and hell — we have glories of heaven. So, we can safely say that although most people aren’t Mormons, most people won’t go to “Hell,” or at least, not the kind of Hell that many non-LDS religious people want to posit for nonbelievers of their religions. Regardless of people’s disagreements with the particulars of exaltation for the celestial aspirants, things actually look pretty good for the rest of us non-celestial people. [3]

Wednesday, February 22, 2012

Mormon sun stone, 1844

Drawn from a dream vision of Joseph Smith, the founder of Mormonism, sun stones and other celestial carvings adorned the Mormon Temple built at Nauvoo, Illinois, in 1844. But the elaborate temple was destroyed soon after by people opposed to Mormons and their religious beliefs. To escape further persecution, the Mormon community moved west and settled in Utah. This sun stone, salvaged from the ruined Nauvoo temple and preserved by a local historical society since 1913, was offered to the Smithsonian in 1989. To Richard Ahlborn, the Smithsonian's religious history curator, it represented a chance to explore "the complexity of our nation's spiritual origins." [1]

Thursday, February 16, 2012

Derren Brown - Messiah




  • He faked Christian evangelism, alien abduction, psychic powers, New Age theories and contacting the dead.
  • Evangelical Curt Nordhielm did not endorse Derren Brown, because he wanted to meet again before granting his public endorsement.  Derren did not meet with him again.
  • The other four did endorse him.
  • His primary point is that spiritual leaders should be much more skeptical of supernatural claims since people trust their judgement. 
  • He would tell them he was a fraud if asked.  No one asked him if he was faking.  

Sunday, January 22, 2012

Joseph F. Smith - Separation of Church and State


We hold to the doctrine of separation of Church and state.


Church members are commanded by Divine revelation … : “Let no man break the laws of the land, for he that obeys the laws of God hath no need to break the laws of the land.” [D&C 58:21.] 13


With reference to the laws of the Church, it is expressly said: …


“Behold, the laws which ye have received from my hand are the laws of the Church, and in this light ye shall hold them forth.” [D&C 58:23.]


That is to say, no law or rule enacted, or revelation received by the Church, has been promulgated for the State. Such laws and revelations as have been given are solely for the government of the Church.


The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints holds to the doctrine of the separation of church and state; the non-interference of church authority in political matters; and the absolute freedom and independence of the individual in the performance of his political duties. If at any time there has been conduct at variance with this doctrine, it has been in violation of the well-settled principles and policy of the Church.


We declare that from principle and policy, we favor: The absolute separation of church and state; No domination of the state by the church; No church interference with the functions of the state; No state interference with the functions of the church, or with the free exercise of religion; The absolute freedom of the individual from the domination of ecclesiastical authority in political affairs; The equality of all churches before the law. 14


The Church does not engage in politics; its members belong to the political parties at their own pleasure. … They are not asked, much less required, to vote this way or that. … But they cannot justly be denied their rights as citizens, and there is no reason why they should be, for, on the average, they are as loyal, as sober, as well educated, as honest, as industrious, as virtuous, as moral, as thrifty, and as worthy in every other respect as any people in the nation, or on the earth. 15 [1]

Tuesday, December 27, 2011

Of Mosques and Mormons


Mosques are plenty, churches are plenty, graveyards are plenty, but morals and whisky are scarce.  The Koran does not permit Mohammedans to drink.  Their natural instincts do not permit them to be moral.  They say the Sultan has eight hundred wives.  This almost amounts to bigamy.  It makes our cheeks burn with shame to see such a thing permitted here in Turkey.  We do not mind it so much in Salt Lake, however.  

~ Mark Twain The Innocents Abroad Chapter 7 originally published 1869

Note: Mormons had not abandoned polygamy at this point.  Today, they have abandoned polygamy for over a century.